One very simple truth, you cannot apologize to mad men

Or to their “leaders”. our nation, through our president, has apologized for the burning of a few Korans in Afghanistan. Yet, Hamid Karzai still has the unmitigated gall to demand that we punish the soldiers who burnt them.

(CNSNews.com) — Three days after President Barack Obama dispatched his ambassador to Afghanistan to hand deliver a personal letter from the president of the United States to Afghan President Hamid Karzai apologizing because U.S. forces at Bagram Air Force Base had mistakenly burnt some Korans, Karzai has responded to the gesture in a statement broadcast live on Afghan television.

Karzai, according to a BBC translation of his remarks made Sunday, told the Afghan people he was speaking to them after discussing the matter with “jihadi leaders,” “prominent scholars,” and Afghan elected officials, and that he spoke for the “pure sentiments” of the “Afghan nation” and the “Islamic world,” when he said: “We call on the US government to bring the perpetrators of the act to justice and put them on trial and punish them.”

At the same time Karzai was demanding the prosecution and punishment of U.S. troops involved in the Koran-burning incident, he conceded that the U.S. government had indicated that the Koran burning “was not deliberate.”

“We all know that regrettably some days ago an American soldier burnt our Holy Koran,” Karzai said, according to the BBC translation. “We condemn this vicious act in the strongest terms. The government and the people, scholars, tribal dignitaries, spiritual figures of Afghanistan, the educated people of our country all share the people’s feelings. . . Our people’s sensitiveness is right and is laudable.” [...]

“Today,” Karzai said, “we had a detailed session attended by jihadi leaders, prominent scholars, speakers of both houses — the lower house and the senate — the esteemed chief justice, vice presidents and other dignitaries and our government. We discussed the matter of the burning of the Holy Koran. Representing the Afghan nation and their pure sentiments, in fact the Islamic world, once again we call on the US government to bring the perpetrators of the act to justice and put them on trial and punish them.”

Unbelievable! This man, if you can call a weasel like Karzai a man with a straight face, has absolutely no gratitude to our military. We sacrifice, we bleed, we try to drag this assbackwards nation out of the stone age, and this is how we are repaid? Frankly, we ought to tell Karzai to kiss our ass, and leave. Let Karzai run his country,and let him face the damned consequences if we ever have to go back. As I wrote Friday, the problem here is that too many Muslims have allowed themselves to be indoctrinated to be radicals. Silverfiddle hits upon the same point in this post

Our bowing and scraping is not cooling the feral, instinctual anger sparked by us burning some books that the holy jihadis had desecrated first by scribbling in them.  Instead, the flames climb higher at each western apology.

When has apologizing to ignorant, intolerant, bigoted haters ever worked? When? When in the entire history of Islam has an apology to it or its practitioners ever quelled the bonfires of fury and murder?

First we apologized, some of our troops were killed, we apologized again, Afghans “on our side” killed two more of our military officers working at an Afghan ministry. Now our government has announce that within the next 10 days, every one of our soldiers in Afghanistan will be “intensively trained” in “the proper handling of religious materials.” Sure.  Those 100,000+ troops have nothing better to do over there…

Just as you can never appease tyrants,you cannot expect a reasonable apology to fanatics who are living in some far gone century. Silverfiddle hits upon another tremendously crucial point here

This is being stoked by a small number of misanthropic manipulators that do not represent all Afghanis or all Muslims.  Sadly, the vast majority are far worse than that.  They are ignorant and manipulable; a willing crowd dancing to the macabre tune when Explody the Fire-Breathing Clown and his Rampaging Circus comes to town.

Aussie Brendan O’Neill sees striking similarities between the east and west’s professional victims who manipulate their enemies with perpetual outrage and offense-taking:

Ironically, these pretty craven apologies from NATO and the Obama administration for an innocent mistake made by two NATO personnel are likely only to have inflamed the protests.

Because, as is the case over here, in our ever more touchy and sensitive societies, when you tiptoe around a certain group of people, when you buy into the idea that offending cultural sensibilities is the greatest sin of our age, you actually give people a licence to feel offended.

When you apologise for causing offence and promise never, ever to do it again, you give succour to the idea that offensiveness is a unique and terrible evil, and you flatter the ostentatious offence-taking of groups who wish to be protected by a moral force-field from public debate or ridicule.

[...] NATO has made itself a hostage to fortune, giving Afghan radicals a licence to go mental at the next whiff of any slight, whether intentional or accidental, against Islam. (Buying into the Myth)

Go read all of Silverfiddle’s post, it is excellent. He has come to the same conclusion that I have. In short, it would seem that Afghanistan is just not ready for Western values like religious freedom, or tolerance. Leave them to fix their mess, if they can.  And, if we ever have a reason to take military action there again, well,then we need to use that famed Big Stick to its fullest. No worrying about rebuilding, or Democratizing,or any of that. As Randy says, leave, AFTER we send a very clear message

It is time to show the rest of the world enough is enough.

Gen Jacobson said: “We have seen an emotional week, we have seen a busy week – but it would be too early to say this incident was linked to what we have seen over the last days.

Huh? Turn that piece of shit country into a parking lot and bring our troops home. Not one more American life.

And if you are wondering, that message would put the fear of God into Pakistan as well. And yes Iran, you too.

Also read this post at American and Proud. Robert makes the case that the form of Islam practiced in the Middle East is simply not compatible civilized societies

The truth being, Islam as an entity in the world has been hijacked to some degree. While I DO SERIOUSLY believe that Islam is a cult. All Cults are not dangerous. And I also know there are some fine Americans who happen to believe the Quran is the truth. While I disagree with them on philosophical and spiritual lines, they have that right as Americans.

Islam as it is practiced in the Middle East is NOT compatible with the 21st Century. It will never be compatible. Afghanistan for all of our effort will NEVER be anything more than a 7th century country and the population of those nations do not wish to evolve.

Let’s understand a couple things. Islam is at war within the religion and without. Sunni’s Shiite’s all kinds of different factions within them and all kinds of fragmentations along tribal lines in the very rural areas like Somalia, Afghanistan etc.. The only thing that binds them together is the enemy. We are the enemy. Any nation which doesn’t bow to the Islamic teachings without question is the enemy. To which extent the enemy is hated varies. We Americans have sided with Israel so we are the sworn enemy of Islamic Radicals across the globe.

Robert goes on to make the point, and it is a good one, that getting the Hell off of Middle Eastern oil should be a big priority, and he is right. Go read the whole post, it is quite good, and Robert makes some great observations.