What of Marriage?

Every week on Monday, the WoW! community and our invited guests weigh in at the Watcher’s Forum, short takes on a major issue of the day, the culture, or daily living. This week’s Question: What’s The Future Of Marriage?

Dave Schuler : It’s too early to tell. In the latest development of the great experiment we’ve been conducting over the period of the last couple of generations in redefining the fundamental building block of our society, the family, it has been decided that the interests of liberty and equality demand that we be unable to extend civil subsidies to traditional social arrangements without extending them to arrangements that fly in the face of tradition.

It may all work out. It may not.

Rob Miller: Same sex marriage is by no means something new. Same sex marriage and similar arrangements were common in ancient Greece and Rome. There’s a cogent argument that this had a negative effect on their societies, but that’s irrelevant perhaps to the topic at hand which concerns our present day.

I would draw a line between what I call traditional marriage, most of which has a religious background and secular civil marriage.  Traditional marriage will likely not change too much. Secular civil marriage is likely to have major changes, as well as making changes in our societies, many of them detrimental.

As I pointed out here, same sex marriage was what I call a spear point issue, meaning that it paved the way for a lot of other things  that were part of the agenda that it’s proponents either weren’t aware of, could care less about or simply wanted to hide.  It’s no coincidence, for instance, that the majority of law professors who specialized in family law  were avid supporters of same sex marriage. Many of them even support the idea of replacing traditional life time marriage with short term renewable contracts as well as polygamy as called by its new name, polyamory. And why not? Imagine the fat fees lawyers stand to make for negotiating these contracts and their subsequent renewals or dissolutions!

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We will undoubtedly see these kind of contracts, given the outsize influence predatory lawyers have when it comes to legislation.

It’s also no coincidence that none of the major Muslim Brotherhood front groups like CAIR had little public criticism on same sex marriage, in spite of what the Qur’an says about homosexuals. Can you think of a better way to ultimately get Sharia compliant polygamy,child marriages and temporary ‘bought’ marriages (we generally refer to them as prostitution or  one night stands in America)  legal and on the books?

After all, once you legally change the definition of marriage, it can pretty much consist of anything people can dream up. Imagine two businessmen in partnership deciding to ‘marry’ in order to take advantage of certain tax laws, even if they already married to women. Why not? What legal grounds would there be to deny them? How dare we discriminate!

And as AI and robotics become more and more sophisticated, does anyone doubt that if present trends continue (and they may not), there could eventually be civil marriages between human and machine?

Laura Rambeau Lee : For centuries Western civilization had defined marriage as a union between one man and one woman. This is no longer the case. While several states passed laws with overwhelming majorities attempting to keep the definition of marriage as between one man and one woman, in 2015 the Supreme Court overturned our votes and ruled that we must allow same sex marriages. Many of us embraced the idea of civil unions for gay couples affording them all of the rights and obligations of a heterosexual married couple but wished to keep the term marriage confined to what we have understood it to be and represent. I was against same sex marriages, not because of their wish to be recognized as a couple but because marriage is now undefined rather than redefined. Will this progression stop at same sex marriages or will bigamy and polygamy be allowed in the future?

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Now that same sex couples have legally married we will see how this plays out as some will inevitably attempt to divorce. Marriage laws are primarily to protect property and children. It is not so easy once the bond of marriage has been legally established and recognized by the state to dissolve the relationship. That which has been sanctioned by the state must also be dissolved by the state.

While all this redefinition of marriage is happening at the urging of progressives in an attempt to undermine Western culture and civilization, the good news is marriage will continue to be the foundation upon which families are built. Human beings understand the intrinsic value of one man and one woman coming together and committing themselves to each other, to declare their love for one another publicly, and to raise their families. It is the natural order of things and will continue to be in spite of those who seek to destroy it.

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WOW! Forum Should Monuments, Street Names Etc. Referencing The Confederacy Or Slave Owners Be Removed?

Every week on Monday, the WoW! community and our invited guests weigh in at the Watcher’s Forum, short takes on a major issue of the day, the culture, or daily living. This week’s QuestionShould Monuments, Street Names Etc. Referencing The Confederacy Or Slave Owners Be Removed?

Doug Hagin: I do not think I can think of a more foolish venture than to cede control of what is acceptable to the Left frankly. There are those who have a genuine desire to appease the feelings of others. But, make no mistake, most folks do not care about where those monuments, etc. are located. And, many people, who had ancestors in the Confederate army will be deeply hurt by their removal. But the biggest issue here is who is driving for the erasing of history. Make no mistake, it is the Left, and their agenda is to eradicate all of American history. One way to destroy a nation is to destroy its history/heritage/culture Allowing the Left to dictate is as foolish as allowing the Left to dictate our immigration policies. Giving these miscreants their way is as bright as pouring gas on a kitchen fire. President Trump was correct, today it is Confederates, then the Founders, and so on.

The second thing here is this. As someone who has studied the War Between the States since I was nine, I have learned the war was clearly about numerous things. Dumbing it down to being “all about slavery” or painting the Southern side as evil is intellectually lazy and requires ignoring many factors and the reasons for secession. Several states, Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina, and Tennessee seceded only after Lincoln call for troops. In short their reason for leaving was that they felt secession legitimate, and refused to fight against states that had chosen that path. Again, historical reality demands we do not allow narratives dictate what parts of history is preserved.

Further, to allow the demonization of Lee, Jackson, Davis, and many other Confederates is a despicable cat of moral cowardice. Those men were not perfect, but the Left readily paints them as comparable to Hitler and as fighting for slavery, and slavery alone. Some on the Right insist on adopting this historically inaccurate narrative. Some even go so far as to paint all Confederates as 19th Century leftists. That is tragic to me. A large part of what drove the nation apart was a disagreement over the proper role of the federal government. That, more than any other fissure caused various states to secede, albeit it over different issues.

What is needed is open debate on the war, its causes, that yes included but was not limited to slavery. We will never get any such dialogue if we allow the media and the Left, but I repeat myself, to use their fake moral outrage to erase history. I have had the privilege to work alongside re-enactors who bring the history of the war and the soldiers to life. I have seen them talk to students of all races about the war, and what soldiers experienced, how they dressed, etc. I have seen their faces engrossed as these walking pieces of history talked to them.

Lastly, as a man who had dozens of ancestors who wore the butternut and grey, I refuse to allow any racist, white nationalist, of any other bottom feeding scum to define the symbols my family blood was shed over. What they do is tantamount to spitting on the graves of my ancestors.

Don Surber:The attempt to liberal-wash history is an element of totalitarianism. A tool. Black history month no longer is not about giving African-Americans pride — its stated purpose originally. This has evolved into a blanket revision of history with communism as the font of all that is good in America. Black Republicans slowly fade away in favor of black Communists such as Paul Robeson.

The abandonment of the victory of the Civil War is part of that revisionism. In dividing the races, liberals have eliminated acknowledgement of the sacrifice of white men to end slavery.

“The Battle Hymn of the Republic” got a rewrite eliminating the line “As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free!” This eliminated the role of Christianity in ending slavery, while erasing the death of 300,000 young white men — a considerable portion of the North’s manpower. This was a lot generation that led to the rise of immigration later in the 19th century.

Quite a sacrifice for a still young nation.

President Obama ignored the 150th anniversary of Gettysburg, Appomattox, and even the assassination of Lincoln because it ill-fits the liberal rewrite of history, in which whites are evil and everyone else is good.

As for statues, communities should decide what they choose to honor.

Right now, thugs are taking down statues. They serve a purpose for other powerful people. That is what pawns do.

Rob Miller: As I’ve written elsewhere, it’s obvious to me that Charlottesville was planned and was no accident. The coordinated attacks that broke out afterwards make that obvious, and they include the shooting of 6 police officers over the weekend by #blacklivesmatter thugs.

Meanwhile, prominent ‘Confederate’ Abraham Lincoln  had his statue vandalized in his home state of Illinois.  In the same city, a black pastor from a black liberation theology church is making headway in renaming George Washington Park, actually comparing the Father of our Country to nazis by saying ‘Jewish people wouldn’t want a park named after Auschwitz.’   Andrew Jackson, who saved the City of New Orleans and whose statue has been a landmark  for years in the French Quarter had his statue vandalized so badly by #blacklivesmatter and AntiFa  it had to be crated as the city decides what to do about it. The Jefferson Memorial in Washington DC is being pressured by The Trust for the National Mall, a major fund raiser to ‘remake’ the exhibit to emphasize that Jefferson was a slave owner and is threatening to withhold funds unless that happens.

What the Left is doing, of course, is working on rewriting history in their own way. After all, if you can make the Founders despicable, why not the Constitution they wrote? That’s the Left’s end game, along with stifling freedom of speech and ‘thought crimes’ by any means necessary. The Taliban, ISIS, The Soviets and the Nazis  used the same tactics.

And of course, the Left is omitting any removal of statues of name changing for their own heroes with far more questionable  deeds then men who happened to own a few slaves. Chicago boasts a statue of Lenin, a man who murdered millions. So do Seattle, Los Angeles and  New York City. There are several statues and busts of Paul Robeson, who was a Soviet agent and propagandist. Malcolm X  has numerous statues, buildings  and streets named after him, as well as numerous portraits of him hung in various locations. He even has exhibits lauding him in the Smithsonian and the National Museum of African American History.

In 1961, Malcolm X introduced  George Lincoln Rockwell, the leader of the American Nazi Party, on stage at a Nation of Islam rally, and led a standing ovation for Rockwell.

Shortly before that, Malcolm X had met with Klan leaders, including  J.B. Stoner who was later convicted of bombing of the Bethel Baptist Church in Birmingham.   Malcolm X bonded with the Klan over the same issues he had in common with the Nazis – a belief in separation of the races, opposition to the Civil Rights movement and virulent, hateful anti-semitism, something Malcolm X never made any attempt to hide or apologize for. Here’s a quote from Malcolm X: “The Jew is behind the integration movement, using the Negro as a tool.”

Malcolm X’s Klan meeting cemented a sort of  alliance  between the Nation of Islam and the KKK against the  Civil Rights Movement.  As Malcolm X himself admitted, The Nation of Islam received protection for its mosques from the Klan as its part of the deal.

“I sat at the table myself with the heads of the Ku Klux Klan,” Malcolm X later admitted. “From that day onward the Klan never interfered with the Black Muslim movement in the South.”

This is the man held up as an icon for young black Americans. And no one is talking about erasing him from history or even looking at him with any honesty.

So when it comes to demonizing men who were simply defending their homes against armed invasion or the false equivalency of taking men who grew up in different times with different customs and committing the false equivalency of judging them by today’s customs and today’s political correctness, I call that rampant hypocrisy and I call it intolerable.

America would be far better off if those ‘Americans’ who conceive of America as racist, criminal and illegitimate made the  decision to leave the country they hate so much. We’d be far better off without these treasonous swine, and they would be able to talk about how superior they are to us while living somewhere more in accord with what passes for their values.

Fausta Rodríguez Wertz: I can not possibly add anything to what Doug said so eloquently

Mike McDaniel: All Americans, as opposed to AINOs, must oppose the left’s demands to remove any public monument or erase any public symbol. The only reason necessary is because they want it. We are in a critical phase of a culture war preceding the Civil War, and if we want to preserve America, we must oppose the left at every turn, for as never before, they have revealed precisely what they want to accomplish: the transformation of American into Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea or any other socialist/communist state. As Margaret Thatcher so presciently said, the trouble with socialism is you always run out of other people’s money. And inevitably, you imprison torture and kill millions upon millions of your own people on that great socialist path for daring to yearn for liberty.

In this particular front of the culture war, the ultimate question is who decides? Who decides what to name streets and public buildings? Who decides which monuments and statues to erect? Who decides what to tear down and rename?

The only legitimate way to make such decisions in our republic is through the legitimate political process. Political correctness and particularly, mob rule, must always be decried for what they are and ruthlessly stamped out. This is also a facet of federalism, of local control, which leftists hate with burning, red-faced, spittle-slinging rage. In such matters, the will of the electorate must lawfully prevail.

The destruction of historic symbols is, virtually without exception, a bad idea. Within a generation, even a handful of years, every lesson that could have been learned is forever lost. We consign future generations to an uncertain future, grounded in nothing more than political correctness. If we don’t know where we’ve been and what we did to get where we are, we have no idea who we are or what we aspire to be. They that have destroyed the past that none may learn from it are surely doomed to repeat its worst and most horrible mistakes, in fact, that’s what they intend.

And should the left win, what will be left? They’ve already suggested the destruction of Mt. Rushmore, anything relating to Washington, Jefferson and even Lincoln. Imagine what will remain: statues of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, various communist thugs and murderers, cop killers, traitors and corrupt leftist politicians. We would surely see monuments to Castro, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot and other demigods of the left in our nation’s capital. And what of our memorials to the men and women that gave their lives in war to preserve liberty, that gave that last, full measure of devotion to save the intensely ungrateful nations of Europe? Surely none of them would stand, for war is evil, except war to establish the utopia for which the left yearns.

Slavery is, of course, unconscionable, but we cannot judge the past by contemporary measures. America has always been the moral light of the world, the leader in fighting for equality and the rule of law. We overcame slavery and its legacy. The Judeo/Christian tradition triumphed. This is truly what is at stake here, and every monument defaced or destroyed by a leftist mob is one more stake driven into the heart of liberty. Whatever the left wants, oppose it.

Dave Schuler : Communities have and should have the power to erect or remove whatever monuments they care to. In some cases removing Confederate monuments is the right choice. That a century ago the residents of a state or city chose to honor generals who were traitors to the Union does not mean that the present residents should be forced to allow them to remain.

In some cases the monuments should be removed; in others they should be retained but additional context should be added to reflect today’s understandings. As I noted in my post on the subject, in some cases they should remain.

Process is important. The decision should be made with due consideration and with due and democratic process. The decision should not be ceded to whoever is the most outraged.

Patrick O’Hannigan: My friend Felix and I were discussing this question over coffee, and in an effort to steer a middle course between “tear them all down” and “leave them alone,” he said that he thought statues of Confederate soldiers ought to be relocated away from where many of them are now, and into museums or other such places (like old battlefields) where they would be in “historical context.” That approach at least attempts something like conciliation, but I don’t think it will work, because the end game for progressives isn’t “Confederate statue removal,” it’s safe (sanitized, infantile) space everywhere.

Yale University was named for a slave trader, as Instapundit gleefully noted, but by erasing reminders of our history we’ll invoke the law of unintended consequences, either by re-fighting old conflicts or by losing any frame of reference for even righteous valor (Remember Ken Burns’ Civil War documentary series for PBS of more than a decade ago? If you were inspired by what soldiers like Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain did while wearing Union blue, it’s because their courage was tested by men wearing Confederate gray and butternut. Take “Johnny Reb” out of the picture, and “Billy Yank” will fade away, too). Not only that, but iconoclasm tends to be poorly informed. Exhibit A in evidence for that assertion would be the people who defaced a statues of Joan of Arc (!) in New Orleans and Fray Junipero Serra (!) in California.

Laura Rambeau Lee : Whenever the old wounds and scars of our past begin to heal and race relations improve the left charges in to pick at the scabs and make sure they continue to fester. We must never forget our history as we came very close to losing our republic in the Civil War. Only by the grace of G-d were we able to abolish slavery and rebuild our divided county. But it seems every generation or so this evil begins to stir again creating unrest, division, and chaos.

Many of the Confederate monuments and memorials we see today were erected in the early 1900s and were associated with campaigns promoting the Jim Crow laws in the South. This occurred at the height of the second inception of the Ku Klux Klan which ran from 1915 to 1944 and had between three and six million members over that period of time. We can only surmise their purpose was also meant to intimidate blacks.

People in the Southern states, today unaware of the purpose or what was behind their original erection, view these memorials as honoring those who fought, served, and died in defense of their cause and should not be removed. They believe this is our history and no matter how shameful a time this was in our country we can still honor those brave souls who were their ancestors. As conservative Americans we should view them for what they are… historical symbols erected by Democrats to continue to divide the races in our country.

Once the idea of tearing down Confederate monuments arose people on the left across the country jumped on the bandwagon. They do like to follow their “masters.” Here in our county they have been attempting to remove a Confederate statue, originally introduced by a Democrat county commissioner. Just this past week the commission voted 4 to 2 to remove it but required private funds of $140,000.00 be raised within thirty days, which is about half of the cost to remove it. A Go Fund Me page was started and by this weekend it states the money has been raised. Tampa’s Democrat mayor Bob Buckhorn wrote a personal check for one thousand dollars stating he has a moral obligation to do his part. Our local sports teams have also contributed to the removal of the statue. This is not about morality, it is about appeasement.

If a majority of the people want these statues removed and schools and streets renamed it should be put to a vote. As it stands, the very vocal minority is intimidating our officials into removing these Confederate monuments, some in the dead of night.

What I do not understand is why Republicans have not set the record straight. This could be a very important and enlightening teachable moment for everyone who does not know our country’s history and the racist history of the Democrat Party. Instead our Republican representatives are allowing conservatives and Trump supporters to be labeled bigots, racists, and white supremacists.

How far will we let this go?

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WoW! Forum: What Will Be The Major Tech And Science Breakthroughs In The Next 10 Years?

Every week on Monday, the WoW! community and our invited guests weigh in at the Watcher’s Forum, short takes on a major issue of the day, the culture, or daily living. This week’s Question:What Do You Think Will Be The Major Tech And Science Breakthroughs In The Next 10 Years?

Mike McDaniel:Whooooo, as one of my favorite students used to say. I haven’t a clue, but no one has ever accused me of being unable to fill space with writing, so I’ll make some wild guesses, keeping firmly in mind that many such advancements come out of the blue. They’re usually things most of the public hasn’t been keeping in the “oh boy, wouldn’t be great if” mental file.

Firearms: Primarily because Donald Trump is in office, there may be money for basic upgrades that have been put off for far too long, particularly, our standard military rifle. Look for a new rifle in a slightly larger caliber, more on the order of .30 caliber, or something between that and the current 5.56 mm. I suspect the same basic rifle design will be used, as that would keep overall developmental and manufacturing costs low, but perhaps with the upgrades of the H&K version of the M4. We’d be smart to adapt the Israeli Tavor, but I doubt we’ll be able to ignore the “not invented here” syndrome. A civilian version of the same weapon would also be useful for hunting a much broader range of game than the current cartridge allows.

Science: We’ll be able to quantum teleport larger items over greater distances. The Star Trek transporter will remain fiction, but we’ll be able to do more. The commercial, and particularly military, applications are simply too lucrative for this not to be exploited.

Military: Our surface combatant warships will be equipped with multiple, powerful lasers, capable of not only shooting down drones, but missiles and aircraft, and of sinking at boats in the patrol boat class.

Our larger surface combatant warships will be equipped with electromagnetic railguns, capable of destroying virtually any ship at a very low cost per shot. Anything within 100 miles will be in grave danger from these weapons.

Our Air Force will be equipped with large, stealthy missile truck drones, capable of carrying far more missiles than our F22 or F35 fighters can manage. With the digital links of the F22, and particularly the F35, a few fighters could destroy a swarm of enemy fighters from safe distances, undetected. Such dedicated drones could theoretically carry a laser large and powerful enough to destroy enemy fighters. Our normal manned fighters aren’t large enough.

Computers: Moore’s law continues to hold. Computers will become smaller and far more powerful. An Apple Watch will have the features and capabilities of a contemporary laptop, limited only by holographic display technology. Sufficiently advanced models could eliminate the need for hand held cell phones entirely.

Look for true mental interfaces for computing. Sufficiently advanced display technology would eliminate the need for computer monitors.

Automotive: Self-driving cars will not become the future. The potential dangers, to say nothing of the legal liability for manufacturers and fleet operators, are simply too great. However, greatly enhanced safety features such as automatic braking (collision avoidance), back up danger detection, detectors for drivers nodding off, and a variety of other issues already in the tech pipeline will become commonplace.

Medicine: Effective treatments for Alzheimer’s and other forms of dementia, as well as genetic therapies for a variety of illnesses will become commonplace. Therapies for many forms of cancer will become more effective, greatly extending life.

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All of this and more may be ours, if we’re not caught up in fighting a second civil war because the political elite would rather keep their perks and rule over the rubble than advance mankind and honor the Constitution. I’m not optimistic about our chances.

Rob Miller:There are several tech advances I think we’ll see in the next ten years.

I think AI and robotics are going to be HUGE, simply because they will replace a number of human workers in some surprising places. We’re already seeing that many companies are already automating many customer service and accounts receivable functions. It’s quite plausible that we may even see AI lawyers for some functions. And many factory jobs will go the same way. Many corporate fast food restaurants will be almost entirely automated except for a couple of management staff. Supermarket checkers could also become largely extinct. So could home delivery of pizza and other foods by humans. Drones are already doing this in a few places.

There are already robot brothels in Europe and Asia, and there’s no question that a number of working girls will soon be out of work as ‘sex robots’ get more and more advanced. And as prices come down, a realistic sex robot (of either sex) with changeable personas and/or a robot maid, housekeeper or butler could become quite common. Same with many secretarial duties.Robots and AI could even be used in war fighting instead of human personnel, perhaps controlled by humans behind the lines the way drones already are. And some people may even want to have robot, AI pets instead of dogs and cats.

I would predict there will also be a reaction of sorts to this, and certain restaurants, grocers, shops, brothels etc will also retain a place simply because many humans prefer to deal with humans. And a good many other jobs will open up, as they always do.

We will see vast improvements in medical technology. Micro surgery, organ transplants and even gene manipulation will be far more advanced and  commonplace. I would predict that we will even see the development of ‘farms’  where organs for transplant are grown and stored as needed.And a cure for most kinds of cancer will likely be discovered.

Look for virtual entertainment to take a huge leap, aside from the oversized cumbersome headphones. Now YOU can be part of the action!  I expect hologram technology to take a huge leap. Imagine a home theater where you could watch say, ‘Sunset Boulevard’ but give Bette Davis Gloria Swanson’s role and sub Kirk Douglas for William Holden. And perhaps even create, to some degree, your own ‘script?’ Much of the tech (if not quite all of it) already exists for that.

There are other things we will likely see, some pleasant, some unpleasant. A lot will depend on how much global strife there is and what forms it takes.

Laura Rambeau Lee : In many ways technology has made our lives easier but I worry about our youth growing up not really understanding why or how things actually work. We are growing too dependent on technology. Something as simple to grasp as counting change back is a lost art as today all one has to do is put in the amount tendered and a machine calculates the amount the cashier gives back to the customer. If the register breaks I fear many would be at a loss to make change anymore. It seems a lot of jobs are this way today with people relying on technology without really understanding or being able to make the calculation on their own or even understand the process. Our schools are doing a great disservice not teaching the basics of how to do things on our own without benefit of technology.

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Robotics will become more advanced and will be used much more in medicine, business and in our homes. We are already seeing autonomous cars being tested in some cities, something I hate to see being an avid car fan, but it seems to be inevitable.

As far as science and medicine we are really on the verge of some major breakthroughs. I saw firsthand when my mom was going through treatments for breast cancer that had metastasized to her liver what breakthroughs are on the horizon. She sought out and participated in experimental treatments. Both treatments had to do with delivery of chemotherapy directly into her tumors. In the first study at NIH she was treated with a chemotherapy drug coated with a lipid where they introduced the chemo directly into the tumors laparoscopically and then performed radio frequency ablation (high heat) on the chemo cells dissolving the lipid coating and leaving the chemotherapy drug directly in the tumors. The second set of treatments was similar but they used glass beads soaked with chemotherapy drugs which the doctor would place at the blood source that fed the tumors, blocking the blood flow to the tumors and again directing the chemo into the tumors. Both of these treatments killed the tumors, but being in her liver they would treat one lobe at a time and then six months later they would treat the other lobe. Unfortunately the liver regenerates, blood flows get restored and the tumors grow in other areas. By directly introducing chemo into the tumors it is much easier for a body to handle with less of the side effects of chemo infusions. She did this and fought the cancer in her liver for six years, something pretty much unheard of. Of all of the government agencies the National Institute of Heath is doing some amazing things and we should support their work. They are also creating vaccines from a patient’s own genetic material that is being used to kill cancer cells with promising results. I pray one day all cancers become curable. Many types already have high cure rates such as certain leukemias and Hodgkin’s disease.

Whatever the future advances in science and technology, we should focus on how it helps our lives and not allow it to replace how we teach and educate our children and grandchildren. We must not allow these advances to interfere with our personal relationships and communications with one another. They should always be considered as useful tools, nothing else.

Dave Schuler :It would be easier to predict what won’t happen but the question is about what will happen. Within ten years we’ll have small scale mass produced nuclear reactors. Additive manufacturing will wreak havoc on China, Inc.’s business plan because it will mean that transportation costs are more important than labor costs in determining an item’s cost.

I guess that’s all I’ve got…

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Every week on Monday, the WoW! community and our invited guests weigh in at the Watcher’s Forum, short takes on a major issue of the day, the culture, or daily living. This week’s Question How Would You Solve The problem Of North Korea?

Don Surber: I have no idea. Hope Trump does.

Rob Miller: I’ve been thinking this one over for awhile. Patrick O’Hannigan was kind enough to refer me to an Austin Bay article  on the subject, which as it happens I’d read. One of things the article reiterated it that in this situation, “there are no good options.”

True enough, but there but there are indeed better and worse ones. The worst of them is to do nothing.

Some facts stick out. Obviously both President Trump and the Chinese were operating under a false premise. The president assumed that the chemistry between himself and President Xi was better than it actually was, and that the Chinese were reasonable actors who could be counted on to help dismantle this threat.   The Chinese mistakenly think they’re still dealing with Bill Clinton, George W. Bush or especially, Barack Hussein Obama.  That assumption on their part is undoubtedly being aided by the disrespect shown President Trump by the media and various Democrat politicians. In China, a leader allowing  this kind of thing would be the result of a shocking loss of face and a prelude to losing power. The Chinese have never really understood many aspects of our society.

So the Chinese are saying North Korea isn’t their problem, and continuing to trade with them…in fact, trade has actually increased by almost 40%. Sanctions are mostly worthless because of the way China and America’s economies  are linked up. And negotiations with the Kims, as always, are an exercise in futility.

North Korea and Iran are both rogue nations close to having nuclear weapons. And if they have them, they will sell technology and perhaps even actual nukes to all sorts of bad actors, giving rise to global terrrorism on a scale which will dwarf what we see now.

Since China refuses to get involved, our options appear to be waiting around to see what happens (that worst option I mentioned)  or a well planned, well executed preemptive strike.  If I were President Trump, I would already have the plans drawn up for this and secured so that the New York Times, CNN or creatures of that ilk couldn’t commit treason by leaking them in Prime Time.  I’d want the strike to target the Yongbyon reactor and destroy it, along with several research centers and the Nork’s missile sites. I would also sink anything North Korea’s military  has that floats or flies as well as the bases they use, and target North Korea’s military bases that house its conventional army as well. 

Without air cover, North Korea’s numerous but poorly equipped conventional army would be controllable, if they even invaded. Ground troops without air cover usually end up taking the dirt nap in modern war.  Taking out the Kims could be an added bonus, since totalitarian functionaries like army generals  are not known for taking action without orders from the top. 

Civilian casualties would be unavoidable, but given how many lives would be saved, especially American lives, it’s unfortunately unavoidable. And there are benefits.

Our relationship with China could change for the better as long as the Chinese were reassured that their ‘near abroad’ was not going to be militarily invaded. China really isn’t prepared for a war, especially against the U.S, which would involve their chief trading partner and a major strain on their economy. A closely linked economy is a two edges sword that cuts both ways. And new respect for America and our president would ensue, not just in China but elsewhere.

I’m convinced we will eventually have to deal with Iran in a similar fashion, but that presents a somewhat different scenario that should be dealt with separately.

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Mike McDaniel: Before getting into solutions, we need a bit of a history lesson. We are still at war with North Korea. In fact, the anniversary of the signing of the Armistice–July 27, 1953–will soon be here. North Korea formally announced it would not abide by the Armistice at least six times, beginning in 1994, and more recently, in 2013. And despite such high-level diplomacy as Madeline Albright watching traditional communist pageantry such as dancing children and marching troops, the Norks have continued to be deadly belligerent.

The North has routinely engaged in espionage, and hostile military exchanges, routinely shelling South Korean territory, kidnapping foreign nationals–including Americans–for ransom, torpedoed at least one South Korean ship, and a wide variety of other clear acts of war. A partial list of their depredations is long indeed.

The Hermit Kingdom brutally tortures its own people, incarcerating thousands in a vast gulag, and brainwashing the entire population to the extent they believe their rulers Gods, protecting them from the evils of the outside world. Those rulers and their lackeys, of course, live like kings while hundreds of thousands of their people starve, often being reduced to eating grass and tree bark. Due to malnutrition, North Koreans are substantially smaller in stature, and far less healthy, than South Koreans

While the North Korean military is antiquated, it is vast, with thousands of hidden and fortified artillery pieces aimed at Seoul. North Korea has a substantial chemical and biological arsenal, which it will not hesitate to use. And then there is the nuclear threat, which is the current crisis.

North Korea seems to have at least a few warheads, though they are apparently unreliable and of low yield. Their missile program, which often fails, is growing at a feverish pace. The Norks work with Iran and other rogue regimes, and will ally with any group that can help them, and which will harm the West. During the Obama years, the world’s despots knew they had free reign, and took advantage of it, which brings us, again, to the current crisis.

Diplomacy ever only works when it is part of a concerted effort backed by overwhelming military force. To date, American diplomacy has been little more than abject appeasement, which has allowed North Korea to become something of a nuclear state. There are some that think North Korea will not be dangerous until it has the ability to mount a small nuclear warhead on a ballistic missile of sufficient reliability and accuracy to strike American targets, or the cities of our allies. Such a view is very short-sighted.

There can be no doubt of the outcome of a war between us. Even if the Chinese interfered, which they may in at least a limited manner, the conflict would be brief, but exceedingly destructive, particularly to the civilian population of South Korea. The Norks would not bother to spare civilians, in fact, much of the military doctrine revolves around destroying Seoul. China, despite its military buildup of recent years, probably does not want to take us on directly. The North would use nuclear weapons offensively. We would use them only in response.

While it’s likely our advanced missile interceptors could shoot down North Korean nucs, they would need only one to slip through our defenses. And delivery by missile is far from the only way to detonate a nuc against us or our allies. A significant and great danger is that North Korea would certainly sell nuclear weapons to rogue states and terrorist groups. One might reasonably assume when President Trump declared North Korea would never get nuclear weapons, he had such hard intelligence in hand.

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The primary question: is President Trump serious? Will he do whatever is required to prevent North Korea from obtaining significant nuclear capability? Do we have sufficient combat power and weapons to accomplish that task without leaving us vulnerable to all of our other enemies, or have the Obama years left our military so debilitated–as he obviously intended–that we cannot defend our allies and our own interests from existential threats?

Unless elements of the North Korean leadership stage a successful coup, unless such people are enlightened enough to stand down the North Korean military and sue for peace and unification, unless China keeps its communist hand off the potential for peace, we can only assume we will either have to continue to appease the North and allow them to do whatever they please, or be prepared to obliterate them militarily.

That’s our choice, forced on us by the North Koreans and the feckless cowardice of too many American presidents. It’s also our choice with Iran. Hopefully President Trump is not foolish enough to think they’re abiding by the deal and waiting 10 years to develop nucs. We’re going to have to deal with North Korea and Iran, sooner, rather than later. One can only hope when that day arrives, we’ll take them on, and that we have the military capacity to do it quickly, with overwhelming force, and in such a way no one can effectively interfere.

Dave Schuler : I wouldn’t do anything. At least not publicly and not yet. Privately I would probably inform China, South Korea, and Japan, as calmly and emotionlessly as I could, that If North Korea attacks us, South Korea, or Japan. attempts to extort concessions from us, or sells it nuclear or missile technology to another country or non-state actor that North Korea will cease to exist and they should be prepared.

We can’t allow ourselves to be held hostage that way and we can’t allow every nasty dictatorship to seek nuclear weapons as an insurance policy.

Laura Rambeau Lee : At some point in the near future we will have to deal with Kim Jong Un and his aggressions against the U.S. and our allies in the Pacific. When it comes to issues of such global impact we will need the support of our allies, particularly those closest to the clear and present danger they face should Kim Jong Un decide to attack. Our actions must be quick and decisive and must end his reign of terror over the Korean people. It would be nice and clean if we could do a surgical strike and take him out without civilian casualties but it seems unavoidable. Knowing the potential millions of deaths should he attack Seoul or Tokyo, in the end it becomes a calculation of lives saved versus lives lost. The North Koreans live in darkness, physically and mentally. To free them from such a brutal dictator would be an act of mercy even if some lives are lost in the effort. Dealing with the aftermath will require the cooperation and contributions of our allies. What we do know is we cannot wait for him to strike first.

Well, there it is!

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